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How do you deal with them? I just had a punitive war with both Poland and Lithuania (Ottoman is in a war with poland too). Poland is litereally ignoring Ottoman and continue to siege my land. Basically I think the 1.12 buffed them way way too much. It is not easy to dislodge the alliance they have nowaday. Lithuania at one point supported independence of sweden by luck Poland answered Denmark's defensive call to arm.

Guess what happened afterward? Back to being friends. I tried to support rebel only to find out that Poland was all too willing to walk over and clear out the pathetic and tiny rebels. Nevermind the fact that Lithuania has a large development to start with (buffed from before the development changes). I used to be able to wreck ball them by about 1500 but I would be lucky if I can do it before 1650 or so.

Also as a reference I have at the moment of the punitive war 520 development (kazan + novogorod + golden horde). While Lithuania manage to snake up to Crimea and totally ignoring the rebels there. How To Crack Boson Using Winhex more. Japan attacked US at Pearl Harbour, now they are friends. Nothing shocking about Poland and Lithuania becoming friends again. Just to be clear, Poland/Lithuania buffed by 1.12, so now you can't beat up on them as easily, is a bad thing? As for dealing with them.

Very carefully. Commonwealth was a powerful nation so they should be tough to beat around. As with any powerful nation, pick your battles, be patient and wait for the right moment to strike (there will almost always be a right moment).

Lithuania does not often declare war on Muscovy, vastly prefering to offensively go after Crimea and Golden horde. Punitive war is really the main way you have to fight Poland and Lithuania as Muscovy, obviously since that ship has already sailed so saying to keep your AE under control doesn't help. You can usualy always long war win as Muscovy, the AI is just unable to function in that area with severe winter. It's long, and pretty tough if your country is unable, such as if you have not converted the sunni or have high seperatism. I don't know what is involved in the -53 warscore, so I don't know how close you are to breaking. Originally posted by:Japan attacked US at Pearl Harbour, now they are friends.

Nothing shocking about Poland and Lithuania becoming friends again. Just to be clear, Poland/Lithuania buffed by 1.12, so now you can't beat up on them as easily, is a bad thing?

As for dealing with them. Very carefully. Commonwealth was a powerful nation so they should be tough to beat around. As with any powerful nation, pick your battles, be patient and wait for the right moment to strike (there will almost always be a right moment). You misunderstood I have enough development to RIVAL france yes that bbb france.

I have the largest forcelimit at the time even rival both of poland and lithuania put together (76 because of 50% bonus from NI). But I was still poor (hence trade idea) and could not field a full army on set of the war and was already in the thousands of debt. I am also at 8 military tech vs almost everybody else's 8 tech. Jakers Las Aventuras De Piggley Winks. Heck Lithuania has been dealing with non-stop rebels in the muslim crimea ever since they took over them in 1460 or so. Originally posted by:Lithuania does not often declare war on Muscovy, vastly prefering to offensively go after Crimea and Golden horde.